Comments on: QUOTA VERDICT – A RIGHT OR WRONG STEP

By: Michael Tim

Michael Tim — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:31:56 +0000

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By: Prashanth

Prashanth — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:52:15 +0000

That was a good take aravind, I came across your blog when I was searching for info on “creamy layer” being applied to SC/ST. So according to your post it seems creamy layer thing is applied only on OBC but not the SC/ST.

I’m still confused about if these reservations are justified or not. I always think about only one thing, when the government were able to bring such a high reputations for the institutions like IIMs/IITs & so on, then why is it not capable of doing the same with the government schools? (is it because the schools are run by the state govts. ? ). If the people are provided with good basic education in the villages, everyone will be at the same level and even they would become good graduates and then I don’t think reservation is necessary and everyone (reserved and general category people) would be happy I guess.

P.S: By the way I’m an SC reserved person and I got mixed opinions on my own SC reservation about it’s justification ?

By: AK Ramachandran

AK Ramachandran — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:30:39 +0000

Hi, In the SC Verdict the below is being pointed out and this is how the Govt of India is interpreting it =>

Mr. Justice Bhandari virtually ruled out any quotas for OBCs in the IIMs, saying that a graduate (the basic qualification to enter IIM) was educationally forward and “ineligible for special benefits.” Since three of the Judges had stated that graduation was the benchmark for determining backwardness, it was interpreted to mean that graduates from among OBCs would be ineligible for admission to IIMs.

But, significantly, while Mr. Justice Bhandari talks about the exclusion of ‘graduates,’ Mr. Justice Pasayat favours the identification of the socially and educationally backward classes with ‘graduation’ as the basis; nowhere does he talk about excluding graduates. Thus, Mr. Justice Bhandari’s observations must be construed as a minority view that is not binding on the other four judges, it is being pointed out.

By: Rishabh

Rishabh — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:19:12 +0000

The verdict has clearly mentioned the exclusion of creamy layer from the ambit of the reservation. This is remarkable because, the government was never ever ready to exclude them, I guess the reservations were mainly intended for them else, they could have given up to this demand them self. It is so because the well off among the backwards become like the upper class and avail of the benefits of reservation to the disadvantage of the most back ward segment of the OBC, which actually deserved the fruits of reservation policy.

But, now there is problem as who will decide the creamy layer. If the government is given the power then it won’t be good because government then can do some silly things again. In Maharashtra, the limit for Creamy layer is an annual salary of four lakh rupees per annum (which is quite much because before the pay commission report that was not the annual salary of high rank IAS and government officials). The other good thing is that the children of former and current MPs and MLAs have been excluded as well. This decision makes a sense as well because if you have all facilities, which are entitled to a MLA or MP, then there is no need for the reservations. The petitioners also say that the revision of OBC quota should not be done by the government, but an independent body if we really want to get rid of this reservation.

By: ashish singh

ashish singh — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:23:19 +0000

Hi aravindang, I think the whole situation, as it is turning out to be now, is a win-win situation for all.
Having said that, I am assuming that the whole verdict is implemented to the word and no foul play occurs at later stages. if the seats are doubled then virtually they are increasing 27% seats for general category also( simple %age funda ). And above all , if the cut offs are not decreased by more than 10 marks then I think they will find it hard to fill the 27 % seats in the OBC category. so, eventually those seats will also come in the general quota.
Anyway, i came accross your blog through google. I am a pharmaceutical grad from BITS ranchi, and currently working in Fiserv India . This year I am preparing for CAT.
keep up the good work!!

By: aravindang

aravindang — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:17:40 +0000

Haha.. anyway even after one year they have to give job. Just the count will increase by one next year. Anyway who is going for government jobs now. The unemployment problem might not surface to a great extent for sometime now with the opening of FDI and BPOs. Well, 1931 caste based census gave the count in each caste as well as their education and economic status. That was used as a basis for the reservation schemes. Though the count would be drastically different now, the ratio might not have changed greatly, as we are their offsprings and any variations would have balanced itself over the years.

By: sampath

sampath — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:22:51 +0000

Nice post! To be honest, I cannot comment on this as I dont know most of the stuffs discussed here. First of all, I must learn about the fishy word, ‘Creamy layer’.

Caste based census? Whats that? Number of people in each caste? Why wasn’t it taken after 1931? And what is proved through that census?

“There are not enuf jobs to match the number of students coming out of universities. Early days, a person got a decent job once he has finished his UG. Now, PG or Ph.D and so on. More courses and more higher studies are being introduced to persuade people to move into studies so that they get a better salary after the higher study.

The number of courses being introduced (in vertical heirarchy) did not match with the number of passing out and there Quota plays a vital role. Restrict most of the students taking up higher studies using reservation. Some of them may waste an year and take up to higher studies again. ”

HaHaHa.. that was my imagination. may be the politicians thot so? But that doesn’t apply anyway, people are busy working in private concerns.

Nice post!! Cheers!

By: subs

subs — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:40:42 +0000

49.5 % reservation(that’s almost 50%) n still we call it “reservation”?That is half the share! I dont agree with you with the census of 1931 because I see the evidence everywhere.Most of my friend’s fathers(or mothers) have used the reservation and are quite stable to support the family,then why should their offspring get the same benefit.
Reservation in IIM sounds absurd.Do the people who are capapble of doing a PG need a reservation?Govt has promised us many things but this time the verdict is out before the increase in the seats.A clear mix of politics in education.
No one can explain the creamy concept.It is as hard as taking census.If the creamy layers are not allowed for reservation,does that mean they come into general category?What crap?!!
Whatever you might argue-the verdict came in too soon with less evidence and judgement.All to show politics is power.

By: aravindang

aravindang — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:45:38 +0000

Thanks ashish, I totally agree with your concern(with myself being a general category student). The Government has already agreed to double the number of seats in these institutions. Also if the third and fourth suggestions are implemented, I think there will be quite a bit more than the 50% seats available for the general category students (provided the creamy layer thing is properly implemented). This is because though there are many deserving students in the OBC and SC/ST sections, they are not as big a batch as filling 50% in all the institutions (considering none of their parents can be professionals). Hence automatically some seats will come into the general category. Though it may seem injustice to us, we have to bare with it and hopefully we will see the period in our lifetime when everybody gets equal opportunity and there is no such thing as quotas.
I am a final year engineer in a private engineering college in chennai. What do you do and from where did you find this blog?

By: ashish singh

ashish singh — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:50:10 +0000

hi aravindang, very nice take on this issue.
but, i think u have forgotten about the issues of general category students. As you must agree, that getting into these colleges are not at all easy for anyone. So taking away 27% more seats from the already meager quota will be unfair for the general students.
therefore , the government should incerase the number of seats before implementing any such additional reservation.
I very much welcome this step by the government but, it should go hand in hand with the incerase in number of seats.
anyway, thanks for a great article.